diff --git a/lib/fog/rackspace/models/auto_scale/group.rb b/lib/fog/rackspace/models/auto_scale/group.rb
index c5dec197f..595cabf18 100644
--- a/lib/fog/rackspace/models/auto_scale/group.rb
+++ b/lib/fog/rackspace/models/auto_scale/group.rb
@@ -28,7 +28,7 @@ module Fog
         #
         # @see http://docs.rackspace.com/cas/api/v1.0/autoscale-devguide/content/GET_getGroupConfig_v1.0__tenantId__groups__groupId__config_Configurations.html
         def group_config
-          if attributes[:group_config].nil?
+          if attributes[:group_config].nil? && persisted?
             data = service.get_group_config(identity)
             attributes[:group_config] = load_model('GroupConfig', data.body['groupConfiguration'])
           end
@@ -59,7 +59,7 @@ module Fog
         #
         # @see http://docs.rackspace.com/cas/api/v1.0/autoscale-devguide/content/GET_getLaunchConfig_v1.0__tenantId__groups__groupId__launch_Configurations.html
         def launch_config
-          if attributes[:launch_config].nil?
+          if attributes[:launch_config].nil?  && persisted?
             data = service.get_launch_config(identity)
             attributes[:launch_config] = load_model('LaunchConfig', data.body['launchConfiguration'])
           end
@@ -85,7 +85,16 @@ module Fog
         #
         # @see http://docs.rackspace.com/cas/api/v1.0/autoscale-devguide/content/GET_getPolicies_v1.0__tenantId__groups__groupId__policies_Policies.html
         def policies
-          @policies ||= load_model('Policies')
+          return @policies if @policies
+          if persisted?
+            @policies = load_model('Policies')
+          else
+            @policies = Fog::Rackspace::AutoScale::Policies.new(:service => service, :group => self)
+            @policies.clear
+          end
+          @policies
+          # return nil unless persisted?
+          # @policies ||= load_model('Policies')
         end
 
         # Creates group
@@ -197,7 +206,6 @@ module Fog
           if service && attrs
             model.merge_attributes(attrs)
           end
-          model.clear if !persisted?
           model
         end
       end